Curse

Phineas · Apr 20, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

Oh yes, 1 thing.

I purchased the games+expansion and worked on it for 2 and a half years to EARN all my stuff. I'm not going to be happy and same like alot of other people, if some one that started a month ago has 2 sets of FoW per character

But... they can do that now. Gold can be sourced from other sites instead.

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

I also think I shouldn't have to buy money to buy decent looking weapons when the broken economy gets broken even more.

The answer here would be for the GW shop to sell the item, not the gold.

Holly Herro · Apr 20, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Phineas

But... they can do that now. Gold can be sourced from other sites instead.

The answer here would be for the GW shop to sell the item, not the gold.

1: Anet is cracking down on these guys. Very hard for them now, most don't risk it.

2. Tru' 'dat. Yo.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Apr 20, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

NCcoin in GW's Future...?
"NCsoft has unveiled the new NCcoin system that will allow players to purchase in-game items with real world money. This new program will make its debut with the mech fighting game Exteel. Austin, Texas, April 16, 2008"

Microcash payments for Bling and Shine. Will in game gold follow?

Micro payment systems have a certain "inevitability" about them, ESPECIALLY when the core game is a one off payment (GW) or as in the case of say, Perfect World, FREE.

Im not saying this is all bad but i also dont see this as all good. The potential for a two tier system (the Have's and the Have Not's) is quite clear.

If any item bought is NOT customised (which, I admit, would genuinely surprise me) then they may as well sell gold.

Malice Black · Apr 20, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Bling can be sold for ingame gold...so in a sense they are selling gold. If they add items which could only be bought in the store, then those items would be a goldmine.

I care not really. It's just a filler game until May.

Phineas · Apr 20, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Cuthroat Dibbler

Im not saying this is all bad but i also dont see this as all good. The potential for a two tier system (the Have's and the Have Not's) is quite clear.

Very true, but the thing with GW is that no matter what the item actually is, it cannot be better than anything else out there. So the "Have's" in this instance are really just throwing money down the drain moreso than a game that has 'uber' items for sale.

If someone _really_ wants to buy gold or items to make themselves feel better, then this game is probably the best place for that to happen. It is merely cosmetic.

-Sonata- · Apr 20, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

One arguement stated is that Anet selling the gold puts other RMT services out of business. No, it doesn't. All it does is a) Validate their operation as a legit idea, and b) Opens direct competition between the two; Anet and the 3rd party service.

If Anet sells 100K at $10, the RMT services will compete and offer 100K + 5e for $8.99. The 3rd party RMT service isn't going to collapse if Anet got into the service. I'll say it again, the 3rd party RMT service isn't going to collapse.

3rd party services want your money in their wallets, not in Anets. They will compete against Anet and make the problem worse.

Secondly, whether by Anets hands, or by 3rd party sites, introducing too much currency into an economy causes an uncontrollable amount of inflation. So much that there are no counters to it. All the gold sinks in the world won't control it if the supply is unlimited in large quantity.

If everyone in the world, right now, was given brand new printed bills equalling 15 million dollars, what would happen to global prices on goods?

I know I'd raise my prices on my products and why not? Everyone has 15 million dollars. I could raise my prices x25 and barely make a dent in your wallet, but I profit x25 than normal.

If you don't control the amount of money in an economy, you don't control the inflation.

Another arguement; I'm seeing the word "fair" being tossed around a lot. So I ask the following question:

What is "unfair", in regards to a Guild Wars player having a full set of 15K FoW, dyed black vs a player who has the 1K Sunspear Armor dyed gray? Neither set gives any disadvantage to playing the game as both have the exact same stats. So where's the "unfair" part coming from? Is it that one person has it and the other doesn't? Well, such is life. My compact car gets me from point A to point B just like a high-end Ferrari.

This game we play has gone wayward of the generic MMO and brought "fairness" down to earth. Where compared to dozens upon dozens of games out there where the richer you are, the more uber equipment stats you can buy. Where two players, of exact same level, one can be dominating because he/she had the wealth to +10 their armor and +10 their weapons.

That doesn't happen in GW. Your Torment Shield, with the same mods, doesn't give you an advantage over another who runs a common Istani Shield with the same mods. Someone having 1,000,000 gold vs my storage that sits at 4.6K right now gives them no advantage over me.

So where's the "unfair", I ask again?

Like many making arguements for buying the gold through Anet, who state they have full time jobs, have families, bills to pay, etc. I do too. As I've stated in past threads, my max play time a day is 5 hours (On a good day). I own and operate my own business. Sure, I get to make my own hours, but I certainly can't slack. I have deadlines to meet, bills to pay, errands to run, and far more important things to tend to other than Guild Wars on a daily basis.

But here's the fun kicker; I just got chaos gloves. That's 10K, plus 75 ectos. Wait, what? How's that possible? No, I didn't non-stop farm. No, I didn't buy online gold.

It was a want vs need. I didn't and don't need chaos gloves. They provide zero advantage in pvp, or pve. I did, however, want them. I think they're pretty. So For 3 months I chipped away at it. I did a little bit here, a little bit there.

I Managed my time, saved my money, still did all the "fun" things I enjoy doing like guild events, quests, missions in my limited play time and still obtained a "High-end" item.

I don't use this example to rub it in faces; that's not the point. I use it because quite often it is said that unless you endlessly grind away your life you can't obtain them. Sorry, but I've proved that theory to be incorrect.

Does it take more time? Sure. I know players who got chaos gloves in less than a day. But last I checked, I wasn't in a race. If you must have it now that's an issue Anet is not responsible to fix for you.

Anet offering gold serves no purpose, other than to appease those who want something right now. That's the reason 3rd party RMT services exist.

There's only 2 ways to collapse 3rd party RMT services:

1) Rid all games of all players who have the mentality, "I want it now, but I don't want to do it!". That removes all potential customers RMT services need to operate.

2) Make the game so dumbed down that the moment you create a character, you're already max level, you choose the weapons of your choice, the armor of your choices, the colors of your choice, and all the skills of your choice. Then there's nothing for players to play for, purchase, or strive after. Hence, you can remove any sort of currency trading, need for currency at all, and RMT Services can't exist without a currency to sell.

Giving Anet your money for Gold won't gain you anything but vanity and vanity has nothing to do with fairness. Giving Anet your money for Gold won't put an end to 3rd party RMT, it will add to the competition.

Loviatar · Apr 20, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by GW GF

So, I'm not sure where to post this, but I want to make a suggestion.

it belongs in sardalac the suggestion place

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I guess I just don't get it... why aren't they taking advantage of an opportunity to make money. Not everyone who likes to play has the time or interest in sitting around for hours to make virtual money.

because it would make actually playing the game meaningless.

you dont have time to play emough for epeen vanity items?

ASK FOR A ONE BUTTON GIVE ME EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW BUTTON.

sibelang · Apr 20, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by GW GF

So, I'm not sure where to post this, but I want to make a suggestion.

Why doesn't GW sell Plat? OK I know I am going to get totally made fun of for this, but I want to hear real reasons and not insults. I have a full time job. I make lots of money but have little time. Why can't I just go to GW, give them 20 buck and get 100k? This would be good for me because I don't have time to farm, but I like to play.

GW would make more money from me and I would enjoy the game more. Is it a crime to only want to play a couple of hours a night? Do I deserve to have crappy armor and weapons because I don't have the time to farm? Wouldn't GW be better off if they let players just buy plat? They would make more money.. Those that don't have the cash, but do have the time could farm to get the money.

I guess I just don't get it... why aren't they taking advantage of an opportunity to make money. Not everyone who likes to play has the time or interest in sitting around for hours to make virtual money.

cO
maybe u are the one who work for NCsoft or anet or what ever...
so u want to support the NcCoins? cO
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10279766

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Originally Posted by GW GF

1: They make the rules, if they want to change the rules, they can

2: This isn't just about armor. This is also about the ability to buy runes, weapons, pets, skills, etc..

3: If they value people earning what they have, why haven't they banned power leveling or running?

1. hmmm... change again and again and again ><
2. ----
3. if they do so, then they should delete all in game gold...... no gold, no item, no armor no etc... better... yay lets go play "PAC-MAN"

Ps. if GW merged to NcCoins... this game will be more like other free online games... "u can get better items if u pay via: sms, call by call, etc etc"
and that would be big BS!

Phineas · Apr 20, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

One arguement stated is that Anet selling the gold puts other RMT services out of business. No, it doesn't. All it does is a) Validate their operation as a legit idea, and b) Opens direct competition between the two; Anet and the 3rd party service.

If Anet sells 100K at $10, the RMT services will compete and offer 100K + 5e for $8.99. The 3rd party RMT service isn't going to collapse if Anet got into the service. I'll say it again, the 3rd party RMT service isn't going to collapse.

Anet selling gold would be worse than putting RMTs out of business. RMTs only sell gold that already exists in the economy.

pumpkin pie · Apr 20, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

not to mention all of a suddenly all the titles that requires gold to buy meant 0.

thor hammerbane · Apr 20, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

I want to get into the best university for commerce, but I don't have the time/effort to study. Can't i just throw money at it????!?!?!

This thread=failsauce. It's a game? Your real life happiness should not depend on how much plat you have in game.

I heard a similiar arguement to this from a friend, but regarding botting. He said he botted (in a different game) because he didn't have time to level up. This is the same sort of thing..The game should be played in your leisure time, and not viewed as something you "have" to do.

Not to mention what everyone else said. GW is quite different from WoW at this current point in time (not gonna talk about GW2). They made level cap low for a reason; they made collector weapons and green weapons for a reason. Granted, I do own gold perfect items and 15k armor, but is it needed? Hell no. By beating a campaign you can fund your own set of perfect 1.5k armor, and a few green weapons. I still fail to see the point.

Malice Black · Apr 20, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

not to mention all of a suddenly all the titles that requires gold to buy meant 0.

They mean 0 now.

pumpkin pie · Apr 20, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

tell it to the players who've spent hours and hours obtaining them. lol, like drunkard, sweet tooth, treasures hunters etc.

Malice Black · Apr 20, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

They mean something to the player, they mean nothing to the game as a whole, therefore they mean nothing.

pOmrAkkUn · Apr 20, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

the game will be less challenge if everything can obtain in 1 day via credit card :P

sound like u play console game with gameshark unlock everything with code and the good game will be so boring after 1 hour playing.

dunky_g · Apr 20, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Will it buy me elite tomes to make new builds? Will it allow me to play Barbie? Will it open the game up to a wider audience?

I know this is a bit late, but in respoonce to what you said about my post, this is what I have to say on the matter.

1. If you play the game normally, you can unlock skills as you go along, and if not, ellite tomes are 5-10k, so its not hard to gain that in 3 hours playing normally through quests and missions, should take 30mins tops if farming.

2. If you don't have the time to farm and gain cash yourself, your not going to be able to have all the best looking things, because then everything in the game would be worthless and there would be no point in playing for the whole pve community.

3. I think that it would open it to a wider audience, but would also make other people that have been playing longer in the game leave, and I believe that there would be a higher amount of peope leaving the game, than those joining it.

ANet has said that buying gold for rl cash is against its policy. It shows that they have thought about it and that its not viable for this game.

Steps_Descending · Apr 20, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

While raging about this thread (because I seriously can't believe why would someoen want to buy money LEGALLY)( or buy money at all), I tought about why they haven't done it (aside from common sense) and will not do it :

THeir targeted player are those that
a) don't want to grind just to be competitive, as opposed to classic MMOs
b) don't like to pay for a game, as opposed to PayToPlay. (my category)

Just from the second, it is obvious why they don't do it : they know their players dont like to pay, if they were to put a giant sign "COME AND BUY OR GOOD MONEY!!! IT's FRESH AND JUICY!" in every cities, a lot of people would be irritated by it and quit.

EDIT : beside, they created a form wealth, they are not to make it worthless.

NOTE ON ELITE SKINS : I said player don't like grind, but they know some player (like me) like to play for more then 5 hours to get a max character, like to actually DEVELOP their character (be it merely finding the perfect skin to fit a warrior, rare or not), and want their players to play for a while.

For that reason, it is very easy to be competitive with a pve char, harder to be OPTIMAL (perfect equipment), and, depending on play style, long or just-long-enough to be "elite" (perfect tormented wep,15karmor...).

AnnaCloud9 · Apr 20, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

OK..

Why do we reward people with excess time and not excess money?

What difference does it make in how YOU play the game? Instead of worrying about how I got my money why don't you make money the way you want to? You want to buy it? Buy it. You want to spend 8 hours a day farming? Go for it! Whatever floats your boat. I haven't seen a single decent reason to not sell plat. (Outside of the economy issue which can be taken into account when pricing the gold)

Excess time and excess money is comparing apples to oranges.

There is absolutely no good reason to sell gold for RW cash. Some games have taken this "idea" and rather than sell gold to buy things ingame, you simply whip out your credit card and buy the items directly. ANet isn't interested in making money off of things such as this. They're interested in keeping a game fun and active for everyone while trying to maintain a level playing field for all. Selling gold/items for RW cash would completely wipe out the ingame economy, as well as devalue the gaming experience for the largest portion of ANet's customers.

You, and the OP, need a single-player game, with cheat codes, my dear - not Guild Wars, or any other online, community-driven, RPG.

Red Sand · Apr 20, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

This thread is ridiculous.

Steps_Descending · Apr 20, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Red Sand

This thread is ridiculous.

I agree so much I need to post on this ridiculous thread.

Will you marry me?